The Cost Of That Fizz In Your Cider

It took us 4 years of making ice cider before we tried to produce a hard cider, or what people in every other country in the world just call cider.   In 2007, there were very few ciders on the market, and what most people knew as cider was mass produced, very sweet and low priced, not a market we had any intention of entering.  But by 2012 cider had become ‘a thing’, and people were starting to explore a broader variety of ciders, including the wonderful tannic, dry ciders being made by orchard-based cider makers like our friends at Farnum Hill Ciders (NH), Eve’s (NY) and Foggy Ridge (VA).

One of the most important decisions we had to make was how to produce fizz in the cider.  It’s not just ‘to fizz or not to fizz’.  How you produce fizz can make a big difference for other attributes of the cider, particularly cloudiness and the level of sweetness. The other big issue is how the cider gets into the bottle or can, because that has major implications for processing and equipment costs.

Left to its own devices in a vessel that allows gas to escape, fermenting apple juice, just like fermenting grape juice, will end up totally dry (all of its fruit sugars turned into alcohol), and still (all the CO2 produced by the yeast during fermentation having escaped into the atmosphere).

Here are choices one can make as a cider maker, and their implications and issues:

  1. Pet Nat: Finish fermentation in a heavy, pressure-rated bottle. The sealed bottle will capture natural CO2 from the fermentation process and the result will be a cloudy cider because the dead yeast (called ‘lees’) stay in the bottle. Depending on the quality and cleanliness of the process before bottling, there may be various degrees of stinkiness and/or haziness.  This is referred to as Petillant Naturelle (‘Pet Nat’) or ‘Methode Ancestrale’.
  2. Champagne method: Take a still, dry cider base and bottle it with the addition of yeast and sugar.  It will cause a new ‘secondary’ fermentation inside the bottle, which will capture the newly-formed CO2.  The bottles are stored upside down so that the yeast collect in the neck. Then a process called ‘disgorgement’ is used whereby the cap is removed, the yeast residues are exploded out by the pent up pressure, the bottle is quickly topped off and corked to capture the remaning CO2.  This results in a clean, naturally sparkling cider. A ‘dosage’ can be added after disgorgement while topping off to provide some sweetness.
  3. Charmat method: Add sugar and yeast to create a second fermentation in a pressure-rated (brite or Charmat) tank.  This enables natural CO2 to be produced in the cider that can be further processed before being bottled. However, any processing – sweetening, filtration, bottling – has to be done under pressure to avoid losing the CO2.
  4. Force-Carbonation: Dissolve pressurized CO2 gas from a cylinder into a finished still cider in a pressure tank using a relatively inexpensive piece of equipment called a carbonation stone.



For any method that doesn’t capture natural CO2 in a bottle, you can’t get the cider into a bottle or can without some kind of counter-pressure filler, otherwise the gas will escape in the bottling process.  That means the least capital intensive approaches are the Pet Nat and Champagne methods, however the disgorging process for the champagne method is extremely labor intensive.  On the other hand the variability and funkiness of Pet Nats can be challenging for trade and consumers.

At some point, most small producers end up purchasing a brite tank and a counter-pressure filler, which allow for the production of clean, carbonated ciders with less labor cost.  That’s an investment of somewhere between $20K – $30K. Note we are still talking just semi-automation.  This equipment still requires people to put each bottle one at a time on the filler, to be handed-off to another person putting on the closure, and someone else putting on the label.  Automatic bottling lines begin at $100K and go up.  We once priced the smallest automated champagne ‘disgorging’ system at $250K.  You can rent a system by hiring a mobile bottling or canning line. The minimum size batch for a mobile-canning line to process is 2,300 gallons, which means you have to have a brite tank(s) that can hold that volume under pressure to connect to the canning line.

There are two other factors in costing these options – sweetness and taxation. Those are post-worthy topics in themselves and I’ll get there.  In the meantime, next time you are shopping for ciders, try to find an example of each of these four types and see what you think the differences are in taste and cost.

What choice did we make?  None of the above at the beginning.  We started a fermentation of Kingston Black using champagne yeast, and then added into it, bit by bit, an equal amount of already finished still dry cider from the prior year’s heirloom blend apple varieties that had been aged for eight months. Then we bottled the combined cider near the end of its active fermentation to capture naturally produced CO2.  The result is…a Pet Nat that we then disgorged by hand to remove the lees?…or a champagne method with a secondary fermentation done with new juice, not sugar?…or is it just something new, ‘Methode Leger’? Whatever it is, it certainly isn’t cheap.


8 thoughts on “The Cost Of That Fizz In Your Cider

  1. Couple of questions: wouldn’t you avoid most of the problems of pet nat by fermenting to dryness and then having a secondary fermentation by adding a priming sugar solution?
    When you add a dosage to your disgorged champagne bottles, don’t you have to bottle pasteurize as well to prevent further fermentation?

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  2. Excellent points. Yes to your first question, although I would probably call that bottle-conditioned rather than Pet Nat. It is a worthy variation that I should have mentioned. Not necessarily to your second question depending on how you prepare and add the dosage. Pasteurization would add a whole additional layer of cost to the champagne method.


    1. Can you say more about dosage? I can see that you could get away without pasteurization (or chemical methods of killing yeast) when you are making champage, because of the high alcohol content, but that’s not true for cider. Is it the case that the yeast has consumed all nutrients (other than sugar) and thus cannot continue fermenting?


  3. My focus here is the economics, and there are many better qualified people to delve into the details of this (see Claude Jolicoeur’s book, check out Eve’s Cidery’s methode champenoise ciders). Some champagne method ciders do reach 10% abv using traditional cider variety apples that have higher sugar content. Encapsulated yeast allows full yeast removal at disgorgement. In our case our secondary fermentation ends at 9.5% abv and our dosage is done with sterile filtered ice cider.


  4. I just spent several hours bottling a measly 6 gallons of cider in my kitchen. That’s clearly one thing that you can’t hope to simply scale up to commercial quantities. Thanks for laying out the different options in your post – that definitely gives me something to think about.


  5. Hi Ellie,
    Awesome blog, I’m so glad I stumbled upon it! I’m a hobbyist cider maker, but I’m evaluating the idea of starting a small-scale cidery with a partner. Your posts are really helpful. Thank you.
    Have a nice day,

    Nicolas, Montreal


  6. Great blog. I really enjoy orcharding, pressing and fermenting, but find botteling a real challenge and pain. Ive read Claude’s book but its great to get an honest and candid opinion from a small producer.

    Tom from Ireland.


  7. Wow. Great blog. I recently moved to Portugal and would like to make cider. I am toying with having a go at selling. Your blog is sobering and informative. I think I will focus on making good cider for my friends and me this year. I can start sourcing supplies and apple/juice options.
    I look forward to reading more. What sort of decisions do you have to make when adding a new line of cider? Or seasonal?


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